Interesting thread, I keep coming everyday!

The statement that Da was the highest “realizer” ever is preposterous seen from nonduality. The view that God is all there is, is not much in harmony with “but I am more God than anyone or anything else”. A true jnani is a mirror: someone sending your awareness and devotion back to your Self. When understanding settles, thankfulness to the guru remains and that is parabhakti, nondual devotion.

I think this alone (”The One and Only Divine Person among all and All”) may prevent masses of people to approach his message at all, because the statement is not only against understanding of nonduality but contrary to most people’s sensibilities: there’s been enough messiahs to go for another one.

Another obstacle for Da’s message (does he have one? -aside the statement about his unmatched avatarhood) spreading through is the (in my opinion) unreadability and convoluted style of his texts. An intricate way of expression does not translate into more insightful or valuable, rather the opposite may happen: the ideas remain veiled, obscured and even absent under a varnish of solemnity.

Namaste

Clara Llum

Da said (if so):

“Ramana Maharshi taught a sixth stage practice of dissociative introversion, strategically turning away from body and mind via Descent in Atma Nadi (or Amrita Nadi), and, thus and thereby, exclusively fixed upon the Transcendental “Root”.”

“The practice of “Self-enquiry” Ramana Maharshi taught revolves strategically away from the body-mind-”self”- through a process of dissociative introversion, in the characteristically sixth stage manner - and toward the interior (and thus, psycho-physically inward) “Source” of the egoic “I”-thought (or the “I-object”).”

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The error here is that Da considers the body-mind-”self” as real, and other than (apart from), the “I”-thought. Instead, the body-mind-”self” is the illusory product of the “I”-thought, which when inspected is found without base and dropped, and with it the body-mind-”self” illusion. So, in inspecting the “I”-thought (vichara) there’s no “turning away from body and mind” other than looking into the root/source of said body-mind-”self”, which is anyway implicit, as product, in the “I”-thought. And therefore, when the “Transcendental “Root”", Consciousness Itself, is realized, there’s no “exclusive fixation” upon it, since there’s nothing else at all to be acknowledged on its own or as apart from That, so nothing that can be “excluded” to begin with, being Consciousnes the One and Only Reality (of all and All, by the way). In brief, the whole Da’s “dissociative introverted” reading of Ramana’s realization is mistaken and flawed, so (at best) he had to conceive that “6th stage” to accommodate his wrong interpretation of Ramana’s account.

Harvard Professor R.J. Lifton (tinyurl.com/dxa29m) describes the main three components of a cult:

- Worship of the leader

- Thought Reform (including eight conditions)

- Exploitation of members

Please read this http://tinyurl.com/lifton and this http://tinyurl.com/cbomqp

I urge ex-members (and members) participating here to please have a look/read and get back with your evaluation whether Adidam fits the model or not

Namaste

Clara

Realization of Truth (i.e. of nonduality) is not an item that is (or can be) “transmitted”, but that is recognized by one’s buddhi as it reflects That (suchness). The Self realizes itSelf through that surrendered (clean, freed) mirror of buddhi (intuition, direct knowledge). That realization is Jnana.

So, whatever is (or can be) “transmitted” belongs to (and appears in) the relative, only to arouse one’s buddhi (if awakened) to That which already is (the case), i.e. suchness, Truth, which is implicit in all that appears. Therefore, the item/energy/experience transmitted is not [that] understanding or realization itself, but a vehicle for one’s enquiry (and eventual realization).

Is in this context that I wrote that non-dual Truth (absolute reality) cannot be transmitted, or that “transmission of the nondual Truth is an oxymoron”. Because absolute reality, or nondual Truth, is the changeless expanse where all relative (transmissible) items arise, move and dissolve. IT (Reality), itself, does not move nor is transmitted to any where. It is and it remains at all times present, and available to the eye of enlightened buddhi.

Also, transmission, as described above, consisting of a relative experience, it also (potentially) informs buddhi (if awakened), of countless other aspects within relative reality, implicit to it by intrinsic association or non-separateness.

My observation, that prompted me to send that ‘oxymoron’ message, is that Adidam chelas tend to be very light in their use of the terms “nondual” and “acausal reality”, and specifically making the mistake I elaborate above. It’s no wonder, given Da’s insistence on the use of transmission (darshan, shaktipat, etc) as if that was IT (Reality, or Jnana).

feel4God,

“this Transmission is beyond mind”

What is or can be transmitted is phenomena.

The absolute cannot be transmitted because it always is, every where. It can only be real-ized: known to be the actual case.

If Reality could be transmitted, there would be no seekers or sadhaks anymore. But, again, Reality is not an item (object) but the expanse wherein all things (including shaktipat) appear.

It is your intrinsic intelligence that through which you (eventually) realize, as soon as the conceptual/thinking mind has surrendered to natural Self-abidance, which awakens buddhi and bestows Jnana.

Now, anything that helps you to leave mind behind and rest on natural Self-abidance, though that is not yet Jnana, is no less a blessing. Including Adi Da’s transmission.

Love

Clara