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      <title>看不懂的华文</title>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:05:11 -0000</pubDate>
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● 陈雪薇
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　　我住勿洛蓄水池一带。最近，这里的住户都收到了附近一所中学发出的传单，通知住户要在某月某日上门收集旧衣物作为慈善用途。我看了传单的中文，简直不敢相信这是学校发出的。华文显然是根据英文翻译的，但却译得一塌糊涂，让人看了摸不着头脑。显然的，文字完全没有经过适当的校阅，翻译者也完全不负责任，以致贻笑大方。以下就是传单的原文：&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;　　“亲爱的居民，&lt;/p&gt;
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　　作为我们的学校的CIP节目一部分，我们在我们的老报纸和衣物的汇集寻求您的帮助培养资金为是我们的被采取的慈善在2007年的MIDAS（新加坡肌肉萎缩症协会）。在星期四汇集8月30日将发生在2和5pm之间。&lt;/p&gt;
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　　如果您可能留下您的老报纸和衣物在您的门阶在那天促进我们的汇集，我们会感激。不要使用镇议会提供的黄色塑料袋。简单的塑料袋就足够了。您的贡献被赞赏。谢谢！”&lt;/p&gt;
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      <title>Grassroot supporters led minister away from resident who had much to complain about - April 22, 2006</title>
      <link>http://www.clipclip.org/choongyong.koh/clips/detail/4479</link>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:53:39 -0000</pubDate>
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                          &lt;span class="font18b"&gt;Grassroot supporters led minister away
from resident who had much to complain about&lt;/span&gt;
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                          &lt;span class="content"&gt;I refer to the report "When 6 kids turned
up at Meet-the-People session" (ST, April 19). Minister Raymond Lim
was quoted as saying that what matters most to people are
bread-and-butter issues rather than greater freedom and
self-expression.&lt;/span&gt;
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                                  &lt;a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/forum/story/0,5562,386944,00.html?" class="fineprint marginbot"&gt;Grassroot supporters led minister away
from resident who had much to complain about&lt;/a&gt;
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                                  &lt;a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/forum/story/0,5562,386936,00.html?" class="fineprint marginbot"&gt;MM Lee's dialogue shows that
knowledgeable young Singaporeans are not wise&lt;/a&gt;
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                                  &lt;a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/forum/story/0,5562,386927,00.html?" class="fineprint marginbot"&gt;Criticisms of young participants at MM
Lee's dialogue are unfair. Don't we want forward-thinking,
inquisitive minds?&lt;/a&gt;
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                                  &lt;a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/forum/story/0,5562,386926,00.html?" class="fineprint marginbot"&gt;Ban on political podcasts: Drop the
instincts about protecting people. Let them decide for
themselves&lt;/a&gt;
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                                  &lt;a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/forum/story/0,5562,386943,00.html?" class="fineprint marginbot"&gt;Why are we reluctant to challenge the
govt? Is it because of strict controls on political
speech?&lt;/a&gt;
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                                  &lt;a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/forum/story/0,5562,386935,00.html?" class="fineprint marginbot"&gt;Political apathy can't be good for
S'pore. Have more dialogues like the one with MM Lee&lt;/a&gt;
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                                  &lt;a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/forum/story/0,5562,386941,00.html?" class="fineprint marginbot"&gt;The PAP should be a party for all
S'poreans. Leave no one behind&lt;/a&gt;
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                                  &lt;a href="http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/forum/story/0,5562,386940,00.html?" class="fineprint marginbot"&gt;Govt should also talk to the post-80ers
before they are of voting age to engage them&lt;/a&gt;
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                          &lt;span class="content"&gt;This notion was also implied by Minister
Mentor Lee Kuan Yew in his televised dialogue "Why my vote matters"
with young Singaporeans, and it was echoed by some readers who
wrote to the Forum.&lt;/span&gt;
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                          &lt;span class="content"&gt;It appears that Mr Lim, MM Lee and the
letter writers were making the assumption that freedom of
expression and sustenance are two mutually exclusive
issues.&lt;/span&gt;
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                          &lt;span class="content"&gt;I want to put forth that such an
assumption is erroneous. The two are separate and orthogonal
issues. We do not have to forgo one in order to have the other.
Many nations have achieved both. What is preventing us from having
them too?&lt;/span&gt;
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                          &lt;span class="content"&gt;Next, I want to focus in the same report
which implied that Mr Lim learnt about what he thought the people
wanted through his house-to-house visits.&lt;/span&gt;
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                          &lt;span class="content"&gt;I live in Block 183 Bedok North Road,
which was one of the flats Mr Lim came calling a few months ago.
Part of his entourage went ahead of him to knock on doors and alert
residents of his arrival.&lt;/span&gt;
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                          &lt;span class="content"&gt;Upon finding out that I had much to
complain about, they suddenly gave the excuse that Mr Lim had an
urgent matter and would have to cut short his walkabout. After they
left my door, I found them still going on their rounds.&lt;/span&gt;
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                          &lt;span class="content"&gt;I have since heard from friends who are
involved in grassroots organisations that this was the usual modus
operandi used by some MPs.&lt;/span&gt;
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                            &lt;b&gt;John Tan Liang-Joo&lt;/b&gt;
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